0820 Public comments: there were none

Since last meeting, John Wayne Smith has replaced Vicki Kirland, and Ruth Bennett has replaced Bob Capozzi.  Ann Leech has replaced Norma Skoog, and Rob Power has replaced Steve Burden.

Jon Roland
Henry Haller
Guy McLendon
John Wayne Smith
Ann Leech
Rob Power
David Aitken
Steve Dasbach
Ruth Bennett
Alicia Mattson
Brian Holtz
Donny Ferguson
Adam Mayer
Audrey Capozzi
Daniel Grow
Hardy Macia
John Howell
Bonnie Scott
Bruce Dovner
Glenn Tatum (absent)

0833 Agenda
No objection to Chair's draft agenda
Holtz moved to add a penultimate agenda item to consider whether to amend the agenda to mark up the ~30 recommendations of the Destination Liberty subcommittee proposal for possible adoption as recommendations of the Committee.  Without objection.
Dovner moved to add to agenda items after Personal Relationships to consider:
1) Self-Determination 2) Self-Defense 3) Veterans Rights
0845 1) carries.  2) carries. 3) fails 8-8
0849 Haller moved a last item to discuss a resolution about minority reports
carries.
0852 Leech moved to shift the DL agenda item to the beginning of the agenda. no second
0854 adoption of Vegas minutes
0910 carries unopposed
0911 Environment plank
Dovner moved to add several paragraphs after the existing sentence.
0918 no second
0918 Holtz moved his printed Environment and Resources plank, minus 3rd sentence and 2nd clause of 2nd sentence.
0920 recessed to discuss all our options
0942 reconvened. Mayer moved to substitute changing the name to "Environment" and make it:
"We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Misuse of resources and pollution causes damage to our ecosystem.  Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment. Historically and even today, governments have a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our environment.  Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife.  Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior."
0950 substitution carried with 1 nay (Roland)
0950 Roland moved to substitute: "Pollution of other people's property is a violation of individual rights to be resolved judicially. We oppose governmental regulations, as we recognize regulatory intervention causes problems that necessitate further governmental intervention."
1004 fails.
1007 McLendon moved to insert "and excise taxes" after "social pressure" and to replace the previous "and" with a comma.  no second.
1009 Dovner moved to change from
"Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife."
to
"We support development of clear definitions and enforcement of property rights to environmental resources like land, water, air, and wildlife."
1015 Grow moved to prepend "Instead of government regulation, ". 1017 fails
1018 Dovner amendment fails 8-8. Still:
"We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Misuse of resources and pollution causes damage to our ecosystem.  Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment. Historically and even today, governments have a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our environment.  Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife.  Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior."
1020 Dovner moved to change "individual" to "property" and "in" to "to environmental" in the sentence we just considered:
"Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of property rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife."
1022 (71mins) McLendon moved to divide.  First, "individual" to "property". 1027 (76mins) Grow moved a substitute motion to drop "individual" instead of changing it.  Fails 7-7.  First part of division fails.
1031 Second part: "in" to "to environmental". Fails.
1033 Bennett moved to change
"Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment. Historically and even today, governments have a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our environment."
to
"Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection."
1036 Dovner moved a substitute motion to delete the two sentences proposed for merging. fails.
1043 Haller moved to change "have a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our environment" to "often take action without regard for the environment".
1052 McLendon won unanimous consent to change "without regard for" to "that damages"
1055 Motion is to change "have a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our environment" to "often take action that damages the environment". Fails.
Would be:
"We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem.  Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection.  Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife.  Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior."
Bennett motion succeeds.
1102: Grow moved to add after ecosystems: "and are essential means of coordinating and harmonizing the actions of individuals, not paralyzing governmental control."  No second.
1105: Passes 11-5  nay: Bennett Power Grow Smith Roland
Ayes:
Guy McLendon
David Aitken
Steve Dasbach
Alicia Mattson
Brian Holtz
Donny Ferguson
Adam Mayer
Audrey Capozzi
Hardy Macia
Bonnie Scott
Bruce Dovner

1136 reconvene
Scott moved to replace the Energy plank with: "While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. We oppose liability limits for nuclear accidents, and favor privatization of the atomic energy industry. Energy resources are increased as part of the same process by which man increases the production and supply of all other goods, namely, scientific and technological progress."
1138 Ferguson moves to append: "Like other commodities, the various forms of energy should compete in an open and free market that rewards new technological advances as we move towards a system based on more renewable and alternative energy sources and away from energy use that pollutes."
1140 Scott moves to substitute: "Various forms of energy should compete in an open and free market so we can move towards a system based on more renewable and alternative energy sources and away from energy use that pollutes." 1146 Fails. 
1146 Ferguson appendix fails.
1146 Mayer moves to replace "We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. We oppose liability limits for nuclear accidents, and favor privatization of the atomic energy industry." to
"Ending government energy subsidies and regulations will open the way for market mechanisms to reduce high-emissions energy consumption, to develop local alternative energy sources, and to increase the efficiency of our
energy systems." Fails.
Still: "While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. We oppose liability limits for nuclear accidents, and favor privatization of the atomic energy industry. Energy resources are increased as part of the same process by which man increases the production and supply of all other goods, namely, scientific and technological progress."
1150 Aitken moves to append "Our current high consumption of imported fossil fuel has led to entangling alliances with nations hostile to the United States, thus threatening our national security."
1155 Roland moves a substitute: "We support the taxation of imported energy sources by an amount sufficient to finance the military defense of them." No second.
1157 Scott moves a substitute: "Our current high consumption of imported fossil fuel has led to government intervention abroad, resulting in threats to our national security." Fails.
1210 Aitken appendment fails.
Still: "While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. We oppose liability limits for nuclear accidents, and favor privatization of the atomic energy industry. Energy resources are increased as part of the same process by which man increases the production and supply of all other goods, namely, scientific and technological progress."
1210 Mayer moves to strike the 3rd sentence. 1215 carries 9-6
1215 Dovner moved to insert before the last sentence: "We oppose subsidies to the oil industry in the form of military defense of foreign sources."
1221 Roland moved a substitute, appending to the first sentence ", including military intervention to defend foreign sources".  Passes 9-6
The substituted amendment 6-7 fails.
1224 Mayer moves to add after the third sentence: "Energy needs to compete in an open and free market that rewards technological advances."  Fails.
Now:
"While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. Energy resources are increased as part of the same process by which man increases the production and supply of all other goods, namely, scientific and technological progress."
1226 Holtz moved to replace last sentence with "We oppose governmental economic planning in favor of planning that is integrated and harmonized by the price system."  no second
1228 ayes: Scott Macia Copozzi Ferguson Mayer Holtz Dasbach Aitken McLendon Dovner Mattson.  nays: Roland Haller
1230 adjourn for an hour
1343 Holtz moved for his novel-language Education plank. Recessed for informal discussion of options.
1359 Reconvened. Bennett moved to substitute Haller's novel language for Holtz's novel language.
1400 Dasbach move to instead append to the one-line Vegas Education plank. Passes with no opposition.
1400 Dasbach moved to insert a sentence after the first sentence, to make it:
"Education, like any other service, is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Schools should be managed locally to achieve greater accountability and parental involvement. Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. In particular, parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children's education."
1411 passes with no opposition
1411 Grow moves to append "We oppose most modern arguments claiming to favor the 'privatization' of schools, such as the government contracting with private companies, the issuance of government vouchers for payment of education, or the direct subsidization of private institutions, and instead hold that the only free-market solution is the abolition of all governmental ties to primary education."
1415 Leech moved to strike langugage between We...hold
1416 Scott moved to substitute "As an interim measure to encourage the
growth of private schools and variety in education, including home schooling, we support tax credits for tuition and other expenditures related to an individual's education." Fails.
1418 Grow amendment fails.
Now: "Education, like any other service, is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Schools should be managed locally to achieve greater accountability and parental involvement. Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. In particular, parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children's education."
1420 Grow moves to append: "An educated citizenry is necessary for the operation of the republican government, yet it is an inexcusable conflict of interest when elected officials are the ones in charge of providing that education. The result is that the public education system generally ignores the ideas of individual liberty, private property, freedom of contract and association, personal responsibility and liability, and government power as the primary enemy of liberty and property."  Fails 5-10
1422 ayes: Scott Howell Macia Copozzi Mayer Ferguson Holtz Mattson Dasbach Aitken McLendon nays: Roland Grow
1440 reconvene.  Bennett moves to amend the agenda to add an item after "Delete one version" to reconsider the Vegas recommendations with unanimous consent for no amendments or debate.
1453 Scott made a substitute motion to vote via paper ballot. Withdrawn.
1455 Power moved to recess for 7 minutes
1503 Bennett agenda item passed
1505 Holtz moved to replace recommendations 24(a) and 24(b) with a recommendation to adopt the text of 24(b).
1513  ayes: Dovner Roland Dasbach Holtz Ferguson Mayer Capozzi Scott nay: Aitken
1518 Holtz moved to drop recommendation 15(b).  Haller moved to substitute dropping 15(a).
1523 fails 5-13
1526 Ayes: Macia Capozzi Ferguson Holtz Mattson Dasbach Aitken McLendon Roland nay: Haller
1528 Bennett moved to amend agenda to consider amending Recommendation 11
Bennett moved to append: "We support the right of terminally ill, mentally competent individuals to end their lives."
Scott moved to substitute: ", including end-of-life decisions."  Passes.
1532 Ayes: Dovner Roland McLendon Aitken Dasbach Holtz Ferguson Mayer Capozzi Macia Howell Scott Nays: 0
1603: finished voting
1603: Holtz moved to add Self-Determination plank:
"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of individual liberty, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to agree to such new governance as to them shall seem most likely to protect their liberty."
Macia moved to append "- Thomas Jefferson". No second.
1607: ayes:  Scott Capozzi Mayer Ferguson Dovner Holtz Dasbach Aitken Roland. nays: Mattson Macia.  McLendon: "hottest spot in hell reserved etc." 
1609: Self-Defense plank. Dovner moved to append "by those who respect the rights of others." 
1620: Holtz moves to substitute "peaceful". No second.
1622: Dovner moves to change to "except for those convicted of violent felonies."
1627: Roland moved to make a change about jurisdiction. No second.
1627: McLendon offered a substitute to move the language to the front of the sentence. No second.
1633: Haller moved to substitute: "except as applied to those convicted of violent felonies." No second
1641: Dasbach moved to postpone to the end of today's agenda. Passed.
1642: Scott moved to adopt the plank ordering in the draft agenda.
1644: Mayer moved to put Energy and Resources and Environment between 2.1 and 2.4. Without objection.
1647: passes
1649: Holtz moved to amend the Committee's current agenda to mark up the 30 planks of the Destination Liberty text requested from the Restoration Caucus.
1659: Holtz moved to include the Destination Liberty mailer in the minutes at this point.  No objection.
1702 Holtz's motion fails utterly.
1704 Whether to endorse Bylaws Committee recommendation on convention resolutions.
1515 fails 7-12
1516 Holtz moved the following Resolution:
"If the first 4 votes between the Committee recommendations and the minority reports all have the same outcome, then we recommend the delegates suspend the rules to dispense with further consideration of the recommendations of the losing side, of course without prejudicing amendments offering any of the language in any of the discarded recommendations."
1523 fails
1525 Re-consider Dovner motion to change to "except for those convicted of violent felonies."  Fails.
Main motion: Dovner moved to append "by those who respect the rights of others."  Fails.
We will meet Friday at 8pm at round couch in main lobby.